Humanoid Smiths (was humanoid relations)

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:19:59 -0800
From: Marc Tizoc Gonzalez
Subject: Humanoid Smiths (was humanoid relations)

For this one, I'm focused on the materials or products of smithing.

Sander has made the point that:
>>>
One thing people often miss is that:
* you can get (low quality) iron from swamps
* once you know the basics, smelting is not high tech (but quality may suffer)
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Is swamp iron also called pig iron? If the Jebli are smiths and if some tribes are no longer relegated to bronze, then while they smelt iron, they probably lack steel. Since small swamps are often present in forests (meadows, bogs, etc.), Jebli who are distant from the hills might still have a source for their smithing needs.

However I'm more interested in the Euroz and Ho-Jebline. Their weapons might never be of special or exceptional quality, but pragmatically are physically the equivalent to what humans make. However, the design of weapons should be limited, IMO.

By looking over the PH, MM, and the UA appendix, I'm working on a list of what orcs and hobgoblins make themselves, and what is beyond (most) tribes. The MM list for orcs includes axes, battleaxes, bows, crossbows, flails, polearms, spears, and swords. The hobgoblin list includes (composite) bows, morningstars, polearms, spears, swords, and whips. There is no change from 1st to 2nd editions. Also, the MC orc listing states the polearm types to typically include glaives, halberds, or pikes.

IMO, the broadsword is the type most commonly produced by orcs or hobgoblins. The composite bow reminds me of Tolkien's Uruk-hai; I have always assumed it to be a long bow. For the orcs, an interesting difference might be to have bow using orcs only use regular short bows, while some tribes make use of (traded) crossbows. The use of normal axes by orcs seems budget, but only ten percent of the creatures use it alone.
As for morningstar use, I assume that hobgoblins of the Horned Society do so with the knowledge that it is one of Hextor's favored weapons. Also, Horned Society hobgoblin soldiers most commonly use the military fork, as befits the devilish motif. The halberd is probably the most highly developed weapon design that the orcs have. I might relegate its production to the more successful tribes, however.

M:TG
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Weapons for Races & Countries

Subject: Re: [GREYTALK] Weapons for Races & Countries
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:15:19 +0200
From: Patrice Forno
Reply-To: The GREYtalk Discussion List

Hello

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>On 7/3/99 8:03 PM, Nathanael D. Wentz (ndwentz@TELEBOT.NET) wrote
>
>>3) What are generally considered to be racial stereotyped weapons? I have:
>>human = N/A; dwur = battle-axe, warhammer; noniz = hand axe; hobniz =sling;
>>olves = bow. Anything else that comes to mind?
>

>From the various Monstrous Compendium entries (typical armor in parenthesis)
:
Alaghi : Stone knife, stone hand axe, wooden javelin
Aspis : Short sword, hand axe, crossbow, javelin (Shield)
Beastman : Spear, stone axe, stone knife, bolas, blowgun
Bugbear : Mace, hammer, spear
Centaur : Oaken club, Composite bow adaptis ` leur force, lance (Shield)
Chitine : Javelin, short sword (Studded)
Drider : Sword, axe, bow
Dwarf : Axe, hammer, sword, spear, crossbow, polearm, macce, military pick
(Chain, plate + shield)
Dwarf, derro : Secari (dagger), repetition crossbow, hook fauchard, hooked
aklys, spear, military pick, hand crossbow (Shield)
Elf, aquatic : Trident, spear, net
Elf, drow : Long dagger, short sword, hand crossbow, mace, javelin, darts (chain + shield)
Elf, Gray : Spear, sword, bow, two-handed sword (Chain + shield)
Elf, High : Spear, sword, bow, two-handed sword (Scale, ring, chain + shield)
Elf, Wood : Spear, sword, bow, two-handed sword (Studded, ring)
Fachan Club, flail, sword, axe
Firenewt : Military pick, sword, hand axe, battleaxe (Chain)
Flind : Club, Flindbaar
Giant, cloud : Gargantuan morning star
Giant, fire : Huge two-handed sword (Banded)
Giant, frost : Huge battleaxe (Chain)
Giant, hill : Huge club (hide = leather)
Giant, mountain : Huge club
Giant, stone : Huge stone club
Giant, storm : Gargantuan two-handed sword, Gargantuan composite bow (Bronze plate)
Giantkin, cyclopskin : Club, great axe
Giantkin, firebolg : Huge two-handed sword, Huge halberd
Giantkin, fomorian : Huge weapon
Giantkin, spriggan : Polearm, sword, mace, dagger
Giantkin, verbeeg : Spear + autres
Giantkin, voadkyn : Two-handed sword, longbow (Leather, ring)
Gnoll : Sword, polearm, battleaxe, bow, morning star
Gnome : Club, warhammer, short sword, spear, short bow, crossbow, sling, dagger, hand axe, military pick (studded leather, chain, plate + shield)
Gnomes, deep (Svirfneblin) : Military pick (horseman s), dagger, dart (Chain, ring, scale)
Goblin : Spear, mace, short sword (studded leather, chain, plate + shield)
Grung : Bow, spear
Halfling, Hairfoot : Sling, bow, short sword, hand axe (Padded, Leather, Chain + Shield)
Halfling, Stout : Sling, bow, short sword, hand axe, hammer, morning star (Padded, Leather, Chain + Shield)
Halfling, Tallfellow : Sling, bow, short sword, hand axe, spear (Padded, Leather, Chain + Shield)
Hobgoblin : Polearm, morning star, sword, bow, spear, whip
Kenku : Quarterstaff
Kobold : Javelin, spear, spiked club, hand axe, short sword
Kuo-Toa : Dagger, spear, harpoon, net, mancatcher (Shield)
Lizardmen, advanced : Barbed dart, javelin, club, captured sword (Shield)
Locathah : Lance, crossbow, trident, short sword
Merman : Trident, dagger, crossbow, javelin
Norker : Club
Ogre : Club, spear
Orc : Sword, flail, spear, axe, battleaxe, crossbow, bow, polearm (pikes) (Studded leather + shield)
Sahuagin : Spear, dagger, trident, net, heavy crossbow
Sha az : Spear, sword, net, bow (Shield)
Taer : Stone spear
Tasloi : Javelin, club, short sword, net, lasso (Shield)
Tlincalli : Bolas
Tren : Short sword (Shield)
Triton : Trident, long spear, heavy crossbow (Scale)
Troglodyte : Sword, stone battleaxe, stone morning star, troglodyte javelin
Troll, giant : Huge club
Wemic : Javelin, Stone club, short sword (Shield)

For the Human :
>From the GH83 Boxed Set : Weapon / country :

Pays Armes utilisies dans l armie
Aerdy : Crossbow, bow, polearms
Almor : Crossbow, longbow ,spear, Battleaxe, Polearms (fauchard, glaive),
Bissel : Lance, crossbow, pike, fauchard-fork, flail, sword
Blackmoor : Sling, short bow, spear
Geoff : Bow, Pike
Gran March : Lance, crossbow, sword
Greyhawk City : Long sword, broad sword, halberd, pike, composite longbow, crossbow, axe
Highfolk : Longbow
Irongate City : Spetum, glaive-guisarme, crossbow
Keoland : Javelin, crossbow, lance, polearm, longspear
Ket : Pike, crossbow, bow, lance
Paynims : Short bow, short sword, light lance, mace, flail
Perrenland : Pike, polearm, crossbow,battleaxe, flail, bow, bow
Ratik : Spear, crossbow, bow, sling
Rel Astra : Crossbow
Rovers of the barrens : Lance, javelin, bow, lariat (lasso)
Sterich : Sword
Sunndi : Sling, morning star, crossbow, bardiche
Tenh : Short bow, polearm
Tiger Nomads : Short bow, lance
Ulek, Duchy : Crossbow, bill, bow
Ull : Huge bow, strange polearm, great mace
Veluna : Pike, bow
Yeomanry : Spear, crossbow, polearm, sling, bow
Zeif : Two-handed sword

I'm interested in whatever additions you may have to these lists. Please,
mention the canon reference if any.

Regards

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